It’s been a year since Backlash was thrown onto the world wide web and we think it’s a great time to re-visit some of our favorite coverage so far. Today, Backlash is bringing back that Rock the Bells feeling through our interview with the multi-tallented musician, painter, and actor, Chali 2na at Rock the Bells 2009.

Chali 2na has been making hip hop history for about 16 years now. You might know him from Jurassic 5, Ozomatli, or other countless collaborations and solo work. You might also know that he's no stranger to speaking out on important issues, whether pouring through smooth rhymes, or answering a few questions for Backlash. In between the frenzy of Rock the Bells, Backlash caught up with Chali2na and there were even a couple of surprise visits from Supernatural....
Backlash: How has your rock the bells experience been so far?
Chali 2na: [Laughs] It's been crazy. Three points. One, I'm a big-ass fan of everybody here. It's so crazy to be on tour with these guys. I'm on tour with the Roots, Common, Damian [Marley]. Man, I'm tripped out. I'm greatful for that because I can see some crazy shit and, you know, people that I'm a big fan of. Two, I'm happy to be a part of that and that some of these people are coming to see me. I'm greatful for both, that this still exists for me.
B: What do you think of the theme of Rock the Bells? Bringing socially conscious artists together?
C: It's a trip to watch the growth. Going from just a show in Los Angeles and before that, The Smoke Out Tour, when they weren't really a tour. It was just two shows in the California area. From that to being a national tour and bringing all these different styles of rappers together. It's cool.
B: We're wondering a little about your history, what are the artists that have influenced you in the past and now?
C: Wow. When I was a child, just people my mom would listen to. Earth Wind and Fire, Doobie Brothers, and all that shit. Generally soul and all of that. Rock too. Santana and the Doors. Bob Marley. And it's crazy to be friends with his sons now! I get tripped out.

B: How about outside of this? Your music is quite socially conscious.
C: Outside of music. Wow, my father was a big influence on me because he was a really big part of black activism in the 60's and 70's, and the other people he was hanging around indirectly were famous. From the children of Elijah Mohammed to....my pops knew Red Fox. You know, stuff like that. I'd see these people, not know who the hell they were when I was a kid, and I'd grow up to know that I was somehow connected to them. Yeah, initially my father was someone I would try to pattern myself after. I mean, he had his down sides, cheating and drug addiction. It was the 70's and 80's and, growing up, I'd seen his ups and his downs. I could see what life means, what life has to offer, and how to roll with the punches, and see my pops become strong as ever. Healthy as an Ox. Smoke cigarettes like crazy and all that. It's just crazy with him. He introduced me to philosophies like Malcolm X.
Supernatural breaks through the door and he says, "What the hell y'all doin' in here. Get the @%#! outta here." [big laughs]
Chali2na tells Supernatural we're taping and Supernatural laughs and says, "Sorry"
Chali2na says, "That's Supernatural ladies and gentleman. Very endearing...that's my brother."

Backlash: We were hoping you could comment on some of the issues facing the political landscape in the U.S. We had a chance to catch "Hold on to Your Freedom" out there and we thought of this right away...when you were saying hold on to your freedom it conjured some of the current issues in the U.S. especially the unlawful arrest of Henry Louis Gates Jr. [In singing "Hold on to your freedom"] we were wondering if you could speak both to the contradictory nature of that and the sense of empowerment also.
Chali 2na: I'm going to be really frank on that one. The fact that America was born of all of this. You know, deception and just griminess itself. It's part of it and we're trying to build some right shit on top of that. I am a big Obama supporter and I'm kind of in favor of how he tried to handle all of that. Sitting down with a beer and all that. That was cool in the sense that you feel like there's some real town home stuff with the issues. Racism, as I said, it's money, it's class, it's you have to have, or you don't have control, in a very subtle glazed over kind of way. Like any sickness, if you don't treat the symptoms, you don't get rid of the actual sickness. That's what I think this is. America loves to put a face to the problem. One solution. Okay, it's done, let's move on to the next thing. Some of these problems have more depth than that and need more attention, you know? So if these two guys, down at town hall, they're all cool, what's to say that the next cop wont? Because who will protect us from them? In the streets, nobody. Because I've lived in areas where the police ruled with an iron hand and who are you going to tell?

B: So is this what hold on to your freedom comes from?
C: Yeah. This was around the time the Power by Numbers album came out and that was around the time 9/11 happened. People were trying to say that we made that song because of 9/11 but really it was more so because of what my family felt throughout life, that I inherited indirectly.
B: A huge issue that's at the front with Americans right now is health care reform. Having talked a little bit about Henry Louis Gates earlier, there are some representatives in the media who argue that this is a detractror from health care issues. What would you say to that?
C: They play that puppet game all day, every day. I'm not sure who this guy was, as a man. You give me control of the banks and the media and I don't give a fuck who makes the laws. That's what's going on in America. There is some behind the scenes shit going on and even Obama's a part of, in my opinion. You've got AIG and all those people bailed out at a time when everybody's broke, people losing their houses and shit, and you're going to bail out the bankers? That's a bunch of bull-shit, you know what I mean? Or like Oprah going to build a school in Africa when Chicago has one of the worst school systems on the planet. Not just in America, but on the planet. You're going to build a girl's school in Africa? You've got all that damned money, buildings and houses and shit, all in Chicago? Talk about one of those things in high school. Still, this is what I'm talking about. My mother used to say, you can't change a person. My brothers and sisters used to get in a fight and I used to say, "why's she like this?". You can't change her but you can change how you would deal with her. Tolerate her. Figure it out. It's not on you to change the person. Also, by example, you can change yourself. Do you see what I'm saying?
B: So music is a way you can engage with that?
C: Music is my sword. I don't battle with weapons of mass destruction, I aint got no pistols. I aint trying to be thugged out. I aint trying to point no fingers but that aint me. My only weapon out here is my tongue. If I can't change and bring effective justice with my hands, I definitely have to speak out.

[Supernatural breaks in again]
Supernatural: My man, Chali2Na is thugged out, don't believe what he's saying, the words on the back of his head in asian mean "I'm a thug"
[laughs all around]
I'm sorry, I'm out.
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B: Obama's presidential victory captivated the world, and it definitely captivated us up here in Canada. It was a powerful story. How did you feel about the elections?
C: I was just as happy. It was a big thing. My grandma is 76 years old and she was born in 1933. She's seen the world change, her world. It was profound. She said that there shouldn't be a first black anything anymore, but I'm glad I could see the first black president. That shit just put that into perspective for me.

B: Continuing on this, the majority of the money from Obama's campaign, especially from the first stretch of it, was from the grassroots. It was from people giving $5 or $10. This is where a lot of that money came from. Before, we could say that the money came only from lobby groups and they could put pressure on. What does that mean to all the people that have contributed now?
C: They've got a job. At this point people are just hoping that he sticks to his promise. Even a small slip and people are going, "Wait a minute, but you said! But you're not doing what you said!". They're going to watch him with a microscope until the day he leaves. Once again, it's a fuzzy line. People are put in a position to hope that he sticks to what he says and that's where it comes in to play. It's either going to be okay or, "Damn these issues still exist!" We still have to do things to further the cause and do our part to help.
Check out Chali 2na's latest album Fish Outta Water and stay up to date with Chali 2na at chali2na.com





